Down insulation is a touchy subject as more and more consumers become aware of the poor ethics some manufacturers have been accused of in recent times. Hydrophobic down is also a hot topic, offering new benefits where before it would have failed to insulate when damp. Ben Mainwaring from Rab UK joins us to discuss the practicalities of harvesting 'down', new developments and the long term effects of bird flu from 2012. Plus news of the BPL outdoor show coming in Spring 2014.