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Rodolfo De Angeli  

Here we are. Good to see you Amy it's amazing to have you here. How are you today?

Amy Thomas  

Oh, it's a wonderful day. Thank you. There's always a lot going on in my world. But I find that if I just remember to be present in the moment. Everything usually works out.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Yeah, that is. That is absolutely true. As soon as we leave where we are we go way too far forward or backward. Everything gets out of shape, right? 

Amy Thomas  

It's like having your foot on the dock and your foot in the boat. And it starts to drift apart and you're like, Oh, well, somebody is going down.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Amy, let me introduce you the way you deserve to be introduced? And then set off this journey with you and share your story. Yeah, so I'm super excited. So I'm here today with Amy Thomas, the certified magnetic mind coach, founder of impact 96, a practice established to spread the word that we don't have to fix ourselves. We can create despite our circumstances, and I'd so love that we are not here to fix ourselves. Welcome to the show, Amy Thomas.

Amy Thomas  

Thank you. I just love the message that we're not broken.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

So true. I remember myself thinking that over and over and over again. Honestly. Back in the day, so that message to me, you hooked me for sure.

Amy Thomas  

Well, I'll tell you what, it's just amazing. When we look at the timeline of things that we would consider setbacks or difficulties or blows, you know, earth-shattering whatever that timeline is, it's really easy to conclude that we're the common denominator where the problem and it's so easy to slide into that trap that we have to fix something about ourselves to stop this cascade of setbacks or life or whatever is happening, but it's simply not true. It's not true. It's just life happening as life happens.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

It isn't amazing. Let me ask you a question. How would have live been different for you, if you had this understanding? Whenever this journey started for you,

Amy Thomas  

oh, it's profoundly different. But I will tell you I'm a little bit special. Because when I was a very little girl, three years old, I had what was called a class to Toma and it was a tumor that was in my ears, the mastoid process of my ear and what happens if you ignore it is it starts to devastate your hearing and it can impact your brain and it can ultimately kill you if you ignore it. My mom was on the ball and she notices that I wasn't hearing or listening anymore. And she knew that that wasn't characteristic for me. So she hustled me off to the proper health care to get this checked out, they found it, they stopped that there was surgery. And then they couldn't believe it, it went into the other ear, I ended up having happened twice. So what happened was, I lost a lot of my hearing. So from the time that I was little, I was in this isolation. And everything was just so strange to me, because I had been hearing and then suddenly, you're not hearing, you're not able to communicate like you're used to. And I really didn't get trained to be a hearing child until elementary school started. And so there was that gap there. And what I found was, it was really natural for me to reach for, say, the spiritual realm of angels. And I can remember little stories like that I can even remember that ghost stories, you know because I would have ghosts and things like that. So the implication is that I kind of viewed setbacks a little bit differently from the beginning. But I will say that it was not until I was much older, probably 2000. The year 2000, is when I really started diving into this work, that I was like, oh, it just all started clicking in place. So your original question of how would your life have been different if you knew this back then is so relevant, so relevant, even knowing that I already had kind of this jumpstart on connecting with the spiritual world, my inner world, the whole thing? And it still was, it was traumatic, it can be really traumatic to go through all those things in isolation?

Rodolfo De Angeli  

I bet I bet. So the change then when everything, so how long did that affect you? Like, you know, mentally, your or, you know, how long did that like.

Amy Thomas  

So by watching your prior episodes, I noticed that you and a lot of your constituents have dealt with depression and anxiety. And that's probably the number one thing that I had to deal with was depression and anxiety, because you just, you're constantly fighting this feeling of helplessness, fighting this feeling of the world being harder for you than it really needs to be. And then if we go back to what I said a few minutes ago about, it's somehow my fault, I created this, or, you know, I did something or I'm the common denominator that just contributes to the depression and the isolation. So it just kept compounding and compounding. When I was 15 years old, I did make the decision not to be introverted, and to be extroverted, and I could really radically see how things changed. But I still was depressed and anxious. And it went from three years old and all the way through my life as an adult. And the main thing is, is the more that I came to understand what depression was, the more I realized it was only temporary, it would seem to come out of the blue sometimes there was a catalyst, you know, a setback or something that occurred or somebody was mean or, or, you know, a disappointment occurred or your rug was pulled out from under you some time. But depression has characteristically for me had a way of just dropping in to say hello. I think it was Liz Gilbert in Eat, Pray Love, where she said that it climbed into bed with her shoes and hat and coat and said, Here I am, again, you know, something loosely paraphrased like that. And that's what depression was like, for me, it would just show up uninvited unwanted. And it's like, Okay, what are you doing here? Again, I thought we had an agreement. And but the main thing up until all this work was I would remind myself, it's only temporary. And that's how I would get through those episodes. 

Rodolfo De Angeli  

That is so powerful, and, you know, after having suffered the anxiety and the depression, and, you know, and I don't know if he was the same for you, but when it was in the middle of it, you know, I felt like there was no way out and everything was like super overwhelming, right? But eventually today, or I guess, over the last 10 years, realizing what the soul was about and how many things actually had to change in my life. That was the cause of the way I was feeling. Um, would you agree that anxiety and depression the way sometimes I explain or I use a metaphor of, it's a little dashboard, um, you know, the little red light in the dashboard of our car, that sometimes you know, you might have You might be low in oil or whatever right? light comes on and says, Hey, not to scare you hear about, you know, on your next chance, just top up a little bit of oil, you're good carries good, everything is good, just, you know, be mindful of that and keep that in mind I'm wearing at the time for me was the engine is broken already right? So would you agree that this is that you see that that way as well that is the depression anxiety is a feeling that comes up because of something that needs to be addressed or something that we need to be aware of. And if we take care of that, it will just go.

Amy Thomas  

So what I have noticed is as much as it can creep in. And also, like you describe that check engine light, it's a red flag, that there were being invited to look at different things in our lives. And the number one thing that I always looked at was how am I surrounding myself with, you know, what am I taking into my body? Am I drinking too much alcohol? am I eating too much sugar, you know, check all of those things. And that's akin to your analogy of the check the oil, check the gas, you know, what else? Is there enough air in the tires? And then for me, the bigger one would be to check your own thoughts. Once your self-talk, what are you telling yourself? And if you can just get into practice. And this is me almost talking to myself and now to your audience and our audience? If you can just check to see what are you thinking about? Can you move that thought to a slightly higher vibration is slightly better feeling though, because I found that if you start out at say the continuum is a one to 10 and you're deep into depression, and you're at a one or a two and a 10 would be your bliss, there's no way to really jump from a one and a two up to a 10. And if you do manage to it's not sustainable. That's what I notice. But I did find that if I say okay, what does it look like to go from this one to two or three, four, hang out at three, four for a little bit, and then go to four or five, hang out there for a little bit and then go to 561 days, I noticed that my set points in eight, which is terrific compared to that one too. And that is a lot of that mindset that we learn about that positive thinking. And I can really dive into some of this and I have a feeling it'll come up organically. But one thing that I do caution my clients about is to not trip into the hole of denial. As Debbie Ford is my original teacher and she's saved and I always an acronym for don't even notice I am lying and I love. Denial really doesn't serve us. And the analogy that I tell my clients is, you know, if you have a pile of crap over here, maybe it's your depression, maybe it's a lousy relationship that you have, maybe you're not doing well in school like you want to be whatever your pile of crap is. And you have your whipped cream over here, the good stuff, you know, the stuff that you can appreciate and have gratitude for and say, Okay, this is good. No amount of putting that whipped cream on the crap is going to make that crap edible. keep them separate, deal with the crap and enjoy the heck out of that whipped cream.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Totally, I couldn't agree more. And also the way you said before, you know, go for you can't go from a one to a 10 I totally agree. And, and I usually when I hear someone saying that they can do that, or teach that I call bullshit on that. Because it's just, it's not possible. And if it was, if it was possible, you will miss out on all the lessons that are between that journey from a one to two a 10 or an eight or a nine whatever that is because every single step we take I, you know, this is what I've learned on my own skin but also a thing in working with my clients. When you take the people in yourself to this journey, the one or two and then the three, four, and then we hit the five, we might take a step back and 567 you know, towards whatever it is that we really want to go to. Um, we can then learn the lessons along the way. And that is amazing. And it's incredible.

Amy Thomas  

Oh, not only the lessons to us learn but you also the people that you meet, the self-awareness, the opportunity for introspection, all of that is happening as you climb up that emotional ladder and why would you want to step over all of that I agree with you. Rodolfo.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's honor 10 times, you know, when people go through the challenge and feel they can go from zero to 100, you know, they feel they failing, but in reality, it's the journey. It's just simply the journey. And if we learn to enjoy that journey and to try to, you know, to, to look under the rocks and go and dig, what did what is this feeling? And like you said before, you know, when, when the thoughts that come up and all of that, right? And also what, what is the meaning that you give to those thoughts, right?

Amy Thomas  

Oh, yes. The number one coaching question in my book, is, what did you make XYZ mean? So if XYZ happened to you, what did you make that mean? If somebody did this to you, what did you make that mean? Because in that meaning is all of that rich, juicy opportunity to get to know yourself to understand life to understand relationships? So I agree. And we were talking about turning over the rocks to see what's under there, there's, there's so many nuggets of gold, that understanding that if we've looped back to your metaphor of the check engine light, how many of us are so shut down, or have been in our lives and so numbed out that we don't even see all the flags? So I described that the depression all of a sudden just climbed in bed with me, but maybe, in reality, I missed all the warning signs, because I was so numbed out or on autopilot, or whatever. And so I think when you go on that journey, and you appreciate that journey, you have more of an opportunity to notice those red flags, those check engine lights, and it's an opportunity while it's smaller, to address it before I can wait and heavy and it's crushing your chest.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Absolutely. Absolutely. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe in the thought that? Sometimes? I don't want to say often, but let me just use sometimes just to be cautious here. But do you think that sometimes we can, we can be addicted, we can get addicted to our own depression and our own anxiety as someone would get addicted to alcohol or drugs or poor nor whatever else? Right?

Amy Thomas  

So that was a pivotal movie for me. I don't know if you and I ever talked about this before. But have you ever heard of a movie called What the Bleep do we know?

Rodolfo De Angeli  

No, I never saw that.

Amy Thomas  

Okay. So it's documentary style. And it talks about the premise that you just gave. And they agree that it can be addictive, much like alcohol or any other substance or shopping or gambling, and how they explained it. And I'll probably do a terrible job of it. But it'll be enough to communicate. The idea is there are biochemicals going through our body. And they can be ones that feel good they can be once they feel bad, those biochemicals have to be processed. So wherever they go to be processed, and I think they might have used the words like neurotransmitters and the receptors for the neurotransmissions. Because it's almost like a landfill, it goes to get processed. This is my analogy. Now, this was not in the movie. So if you imagine all the trash being picked up from your house taken down to the landfill, they have to move it somewhere. So they make a pile over here, they make a pile over here, they make a pile over here. And so in the same way, the body will have those neuroreceptors that process that neurotransmission and if you start to overload it with a certain biochemical it needs to have a place to process that so it develops those receptors. So let's say you do have a miracle here healing maybe Reiki does it for you or some other NLP or something like that. The idea proposed in What the Bleep do we know is that all of those neuroreceptors are still there. And they're clamoring for work. And that's the thing that agitates us. And that's what can cause us to start to create drama in our lives or to pick a fight with somebody because those neuro trans neuroreceptors are clamoring for that biochemical it comes from the stress from the drama or from the fighting from whatever it is, much like they showed with alcoholism or any other drug addiction where those chemicals have to be processed, and it triggers certain places in the brain. And it just creates this cycle of wanting more and wanting more and wanting more. So I do think that there is a very real possibility we get addicted to drama, we get addicted to the biochemicals that come from the depression or the drama or the fighting or whatever it is gossip even can do. Yeah, absolutely. Spot can do You know, whenever it is nice causing the biochemicals to flow through as there has to be processed somewhere.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

I totally believe in that. Because, and I want to take it. Um, and I want to take it even more personally even more on a personal level where I felt like, I can now talk for myself, but I see that a lot in my clients as well. Or when I hold retreats and people that come to attend those retreats. Oftentimes, for myself, like, like, you know, I like to talk about my story as in not to use someone else's, but I remember myself when I was deep in my anxiety, and, you know, barely being able to get up in the morning and, and go out to, you know, to make a living, or be out and have, you know, the 10th, panic attack, and so on. so forth, until, you know, I got to a point where suicide was, was my only way out, I then eventually, when I turned that page, I eventually understood also the way I was using the anxiety and the depression, to make myself actually, to get what I needed, what I was so much looking for, you know, as a kid, you know, my, my, my, my, my parents gave me away when I was eight months old. So, I was always in need of love. And I always tried to fit in into this world and whatever. And I kind of never knew how to do that. Eventually, the anxiety, the feeling that would come up, and me sharing that example, even before my wife, um, she will take care of me to look after me, she will, first of all, she will take any duties or any responsibilities, she will take him away, right? And she will look after me, she will prepare me food or make a tea or coffee or whatever, you know, look up, make me, you know, go to sleep and just rest and you know, you'll feel better later, whatever. All of a sudden, I was obviously the time I didn't realize that, although I think I probably did. That's why I played that card. So over and over and over, even though I didn't want to feel anxiety or depression. But there was something that was given to me. Yeah, just leaving something right. And any made it hard for me to let go of that anxiety because I thought, well, if I get like, if tomorrow, I don't have this, how am I going to get this?

Amy Thomas  

If you take like the common cold, so you get a cold near your partner or your sibling, you know, brings you soup and brings you a blanket and nurtures you and takes care of you that that becomes a benefit of getting a cold, cold. Same way, nobody really wants a cold. No, but in the same way, if it happens with depression, or it happens with codependency or it happens with alcoholism or whatever, then we end up getting indulged or cared for which is totally wonderful. So my answer to myself and to you to your clients to anyone who's listening is how can you give yourself that self-care that you're looking for or craving? And to how else can you get that self-care and that love that you're looking for instead of getting depressed or instead of picking a fight or instead of getting a cold because there's a lot of people that around me say at work that would get colds all the time, and I wasn't getting colds. So what's the difference? The coats on the shopping cart handle, you know, the different environments now because of COVID. So the analogy is a little bit looser, but before COVID you know, the common cold, there was always that person in the office that always had a cold and you can look at 1000 reasons why they always got a cold. But don't you wonder if they were getting some benefit from being

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Totally agree with that. And you know, one of the things that I do when when when my client when I get a new client or so, and they tell me you know, what they're going through and so on so forth. I always ask them, What are you getting from that? What is it giving you? What is the anxiety giving you and I you know as I would have done back in the days, what are you nothing is gonna give you Okay, let's settle that. Yeah, you're really what it what's the transaction? You know, when you say to a person I'm feeling this way, what are you getting back? You know, I want to bring that clarity. It brings so much clarity to the person. It's like, oh my god. Oh, right.

Amy Thomas  

It's true. It's true. I used to get migraines and I remember I went to GP Are you familiar with them? An author named Collin tipping. He says forgiveness he called his book radical forgiveness. And if you want a really good illustration of his premise is look up Jill's story. It's out there on the web. It's a PDF jail story and it captures the whole essence of what he teaches. Well, I went away for a three-day retreat in Atlanta, and migraines set in on the first night and I remember calling my husband and I was just crying on the phone. This is such bad timing. It's so awful. I've done I call it my Amy cocktail. You know, I take so many acetaminophen, so many ibuprofen, and a big cup of coffee, and it usually nipped it. No, I couldn't get rid of it. And I was so sick and I wanted to get the most out of this workshop and I'm weeping and weeping and all of a sudden, Rodolfo. I said, you know, if I don't try, nothing happens. And if I do try, it's so hard. And right then I saw the gift of my migraine, my migraines, were telling me, Amy, you're caught between a rock and a hard space. And as soon as I got that, the headache went away. Now I still had the after blow cuz you know, you're just sweaty and nauseous, you know, I had all that. But the headache was gone. And I was like, wow, that's powerful. So there, I mean, if a migraine can serve you.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

And that is exactly what did you said is so powerful. And I always say, you know, they sometimes this word, a phrase that is so powerful that if you get it, everything changes, right? If you can see what something that feels negative has for you, is there to teach you or show you or whatever, man life like that. If you really allow yourself to. Nope, say I know it all I've been here before I got it. And you know, just just just just empty the cup pride. Just empty the cup and allow What is this? Feeling? Why do I feel this way? Why is this coming up? You know that Why? Question is? It's so powerful because the answer is right there, right?

Amy Thomas  

Yes, it is. I have something to illustrate that a story from when I was at university and I had trouble making friends. But I had cobbled together a group of girls and we were living in an apartment together, two of us in one room to one another and to one another. So there were six of us sharing the rent. And they called me into the room for a talk and I didn't know what was going on. You know, I thought a little bit like it was an intervention. I'm like, what's going on? So that was unsettling right there. And they announced that they had all joined sororities over the course of our weird juniors going into our senior year, they had all joined sororities, and I had not and they were all going to be living in their respective sorority houses their senior year. So that man, Amy would not have a roommate. And you know how hard it is to find a roommate your senior year, you know because that's cobbled together all through university. So I remember that below. I kept a poker face. And they really weren't my friends. They pretended they were my friends and I remember them doing that. Oh, Amy, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? You know, and I don't know where it came from Rodolfo. But up out of nowhere, I said, Oh, no worries, I'll just be an RA up on the hill, which an RA was a Resident Advisor for this student dormitories. And it was near too impossible to get those jobs. And they immediately all jumped on that and said, Well, nobody can get those jobs. They're like coveted and they're already assigned and I said no, don't worry, I'm gonna get one for Delphi. I have no idea where I got that hunch from I have no idea where I got the inspiration. But I think that I was able to access it for two reasons. One because I didn't go into feeling sorry for myself my girlfriend suck. But I went into being deaf as a little girl and that intuitive. I think I heard the answer right then and it was low-hanging fruit. I just took it. Rodolfo. That's exactly how it turned out. I got the RA job. Everything worked out sweetly. I didn't have to hate my girlfriends. We stayed in a strange store. We did every step back

Rodolfo De Angeli  

If you listen right here, it's there, you know, shut down and just go in, in crazy mode, right? Yeah.

Amy Thomas  

If you get yourself all worked up, you really can't get that thing, right, for sure.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Amy, we're talking about spirituality just earlier, when you were going, you know, were you sharing the story, as a little girl and so on, and I feel there's a lot of spirituality and also, you know, I didn't get to ask you about and wanna, you know, get it to grow the magnetic mine couch. But I do feel there's a lot of spirituality connected with you and so on so forth. I love, to hear a little bit about your take on that.

Amy Thomas  

Okay, if you hit a ball, I think what I'll do is share one of my earliest stories, it's a ghost story, your constituents, okay with ghost stories?

Rodolfo De Angeli

Absolutely 

Amy Thomas  

I have permission because you never know who you are. And where I'll take it, then is how that ended up serving me later and how I even remember that. Let me just reflect for a minute. Okay, I'll start here, because there are different places to pick up your story. So I'm a three-year-old little girl, I lost my hearing. And I'm playing by myself. We lived in a haunted house that was a stone mansion, and it was on an institution. My dad was a well-known psychiatrist, and he was the administrator of the school. That was for at that time, they called it mentally retarded children. I don't and girls, they don't call it that anymore. But that's what it was back then. And this house was put on the grounds for whoever ran the school and the family could live there. And that's where we live. The only problem was, it was very haunted. My dad was very much a scientist. And even he said the place was haunted. So I was on that third floor in an empty room. And back then, this was in the 60s there was a tin dollhouse that I had and it was metal and you could rattle it, you know if your knuckles if you wanted to. And I play with my dogs. I'm pretty happy. I had my little Mary Jane's on my little dress. And you know how little girls can squat while they play in their dresses. So you got the image, I have my long hair, and I'm minding my own business. And all of a sudden three ghosts came in apparitions. And they were messing with me. They weren't really harming me. And I remember doing this kind of thing. You know, like being spooked out, but not sure. And they were doing this thing where they trailed her energy across your air. And it's just giving me goosebumps now. They laughed. They turned back and one of them said, we'll be back. So it sounds a lot like the Terminator. But that didn't trigger it for me. Many, many years later, I was in my probably late 40s working at the hospital. And my physician supervisor came in I wasn't in health care. I was in administration and I worked for a vice president. He came into the room did his thing. And then he was leaving. And as he was and I love this guy, so there was no weirdness, nothing. As he was leaving, he turned around, he said, I'll be back. And then Cheryl just went through me. I felt sick to my stomach. And I'm like, What was that? And I just said, okay, you have to tell me what that was all about. And all of a sudden that memory came back. And I remember that I was like, Oh, that's it, and what it costs for me, Rodolfo was kind of a life review of my spiritual experiences. And I was able to see this timeline of where I just kept getting visited to say, don't forget about this part of you. And you often hear that about children that are intuitive or psychic as children, they lose it. Well, mine wasn't gonna let me forget. And so as I looked at that life review, I saw how it played out and I'm like, wow, is this beautiful? and it included angelic visits and included just being really super spiritual in the Christian church, which is where I was raised to eventually becoming a weapon and then letting go of the weekend. And it's just all kind of melded into just the super-spiritual check. Who knows we have heavenly helpers. And we don't have to ascribe names or titles or anything, just gratitude and know that they're willing to help us and that's what it all boiled down to for me.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

So true. Wow. And do you use any of these gifts that you have in your work today still?

Amy Thomas  

 Yes. I don't do it on purpose and they laugh at me because I never know when I'm being psychic. Okay, so I'm just like, Rodolfo, remember when you told me about X, Y, and Z and a, b, and c? And you're like, me, I never told you about them. Like, did I remember when you told me? I didn't tell you? And then it comes out that you never told me, but I definitely know it. How do I know? And my clients love it about me. In fact, that's how I got into being an angel therapist, you know, somebody who flips cards for people. And because I started out with Debbie Ford's doing integrated coaching, but I was just profoundly connecting so much that I was seeing the relevant piece that they couldn't even see it. Also remember when you did this, and that you were telling me about you're like, No, I never told you about it, but you're getting more and more irritated because I'm giving you more and more details. And migrated into Angel therapy. And that's where I can curse and use the F-bomb. And so I got titled The cursing Angel lady. But apparently, my followers were calling me the first thing, Angel, Angel lady.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

There's nothing worse than someone that wants to pretend to be something and keep it all together. And then you find out that they do, I believe, you know, being our true selves. And yes, sometimes the F-bombs come out and whatever it is, but this is, this is how we are, this is who we are, and we are not perfect. We were just we just another reflection of someone else, it doesn't really matter. Right? This is, um, you know, I practice and in shamanism, so they said, there's a saying in engine Maya that, that says "In Lak'ech Ala K'in," which means "I am another yourself." And, and I love that term. Because, you know, so many tried to keep everything together and be you know, super polite, or they are, you know, structured and whatever. But it's actually truly not them, and actually creates a lot of stress. Because you're so away from who you truly are just to pretend to be liked or loved or seen in a certain way, I'll be putting you on a pedestal or whatever. That is, that is a downfall to come 100%

Amy Thomas  

especially in our work, the connection is so important to really help our clients and receiving proper you just transmissions. times when the F-bomb came out to me and it wasn't me, I could tell it was just more like, I think this is something they're going to look into, for one reason or another. Maybe it reminded them of their dad, or maybe it reminded them of themselves, or maybe they were dropping the F-bomb in their head. You just can't push it down. I call it pinching off kind of like a hose. water flow. And if you go like this to the hose, it's good. Yeah, totally get it just let it flow out of you. And trust. Absolutely.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

I totally agree. I, I couldn't agree more with that. Because, um, you know, and this is something that I learned. I'm actually a lesson that I received from a teacher, that one one of my teachers in Peru, where I went, I go and practice or learn my own practice over there and hold ceremonies there. But one of the things that happened was that I met this this this person, which then became truly my, my friend, my brother many times my father for sure. Um, and my teacher, you know, my sister, Don Howard. And he used to, to, to hold the retreats at spirit quest in Peru, which is quite a famous place to go. He, unfortunately, passed away a couple of years ago, but he took me on his under his wing and started to teach me the practices and, and, and I really looked up to him, you know, I was like, Oh my god, you know, this. I mean, as a human, he was absolutely incredible. Um, as a friend and everything he was just next level right? And I got myself to really literally look up to him. You know, it's like, Man, this is incredible, especially human. But then eventually something happened that showed me behind the curtain, right and I'm which is nothing Bad on nothing that would, you know, put his practice under any sort of danger or, or a bad bad kind of thought about it. Nothing bad I was a personal thing. But what he taught me is he's only human right? It's like when who was really attended to go out on the pallet bringing with him one of his servers, and that would remind him, you're on the heels. So what, that was okay? To never look up to anybody because they only human, they're gonna reveal something about them that you will be disappointed and see, you will, you will have to make them work so hard to keep up these look, right. And all of the sudden, they will fall apart. Like if we put onto a pedestal because out crying or anybody you know. And oh, I can't say this, I can't do that, eventually will fall off that pedestal by ourselves. Because there's so much pressure. Right. And that was one of the things that I that I've learned.

Amy Thomas  

well in it and it's what's naturally being expressed. Absolutely. That's just what's naturally emerging and what another powerful coaching question is, who are you becoming? So who are you becoming? And if I don't feel aligned with say the F-bomb, then what was going on in that moment that the F-bomb emerged or what? Where am I going with that? You know, why did it come out? Then? Where was it taking me because something is emerging here? And ironically, maybe the F-bomb at that moment was so that I could be more relatable because maybe that tendency was there to me be on a pedestal because I'm the teacher or the coach or you know the guide. And maybe my client was starting to put me higher and higher and may be as soon as I had that fallibility that's a new F word, isn't it? It is I had that fallibility I became relatable again and now it's Yes.

Amy Thomas  

So I think it's just truly being tuned in tapped into who we are. What are we expressing? Why are we expressing it? And where is it taking us once it guiding us towards and I think if we keep checking on those things, we're going to be just fine. That's fine.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

understand and embrace it, embrace it. Beautiful Highlands you know, I always say a masterpiece. You know, if you go into a gallery and you look at a masterpiece it's you know the painter the artist was brilliant with working with shadows and lights and he put them together and that's why you know people travel all around the world to watch for this specific piece right? But our life is the same I know we live in a time where people just want the light you know I want to live in the light I am light and this that the other Well, where is the shadows because there's no light without the shadow when there are no shadows without the light ray grabbing

Rodolfo De Angeli  

them both to push you to bring on more light if there's too much shadow and you know to bring down the shadow when he's too old bring more shadows too much light because I believe and that's only my theme but you know when it's too much light it was too much hairy fairy you know usually comes out from everywhere right? So brain some shadows there because I think you you You're way too far away into you know, this thing so I think this is a great talk that we are having now because again going back to people who suffer and again it doesn't have to be always depression anxiety, but also you know, feeling not good enough for this so that whatever you allow yourself to just be you.

Amy Thomas  

Yes, right. Yes. And don't apologize if you feel like you're not enough don't apologize if you feel like you don't belong. Just observe it and see when it teaches you about yourself if you think you're not worthy, observe it and then realize or reach for that better feeling thought. Alright, so I believe I'm not worthy. What's the evidence that I am worthy? You ask that question, what's the evidence that I am enough? What are the things that I am capable of? Fill in the blank? It's there, I guarantee it's there. Because everybody is worthy. Everybody is enough. Everybody is capable, everybody belongs. There's nothing you can change about the core person that will make you more belonging, or more capable, or more fill in the blank. More words.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

challenge that thought, right. Yes. Usually, we challenge with challenges, the positive thought, which challenge? Oh, I did really well. Not really. But if we, if our thought is negative, we don't challenge we believe that Right, right.

Amy Thomas  

What is that? Why don't you? Why don't we challenge it?

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Yeah, challenging. As you can challenge the good thing, you know, if someone tells you Oh, you did really well, right there. Oh, you know, it wasn't really I did better last time just constantly shitting on yourself, right? Where instead, um, you know, when when we when something negative, you know, we just Oh, yeah, no, that wasn't good. You know, it's like, good. What about lots of that? You did? Well, you know, we forget right. So, yeah, I think this is so crucial. And, and, and reflecting everybody, pride, we all have that thing. God is is that. But when once you see that even people talking, you know, and even, you know, the work we do, and so on so forth. And I say all the time, I don't listen to me, because I'm full of shit. Right?

Amy Thomas  

What do I know?

Rodolfo De Angeli  

What do I know? I have no idea, right? I don't know. No. So I had to, you know, too, to come like, Yeah, I don't know, someone that comes to you and wants to work with you. Sometimes they might see you like Oh, this person already, you know, is like, so way ahead. Do you know what I'm saying? When I tried to crush that? I don't want to be that I'm not way ahead. I'm actually just right there.

Amy Thomas  

Leveling the playing field.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

100%. Right. And as you think, at times, that you're not good enough. Trust me. I think that too, sometimes, as you think you're not loved or whatever, you could have done better. Hey, hang on. I got that too. Right. We all have it, anybody? Well, we might have learned is to challenge that thought, rather than only challenge the good, the positive, the things that we have done,

Amy Thomas  

right? I agree. And the only difference really between me and the person standing next to me, is like you said, I challenged it. And I've now recognized what it was so that I could make a different choice around my thoughts or my feelings. That's the only difference. They know that they can do it too.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Absolutely. I mean, right? All we need is clarity. Sometimes we just do not see it's like in Buddhism, you know, the Buddha says we have every single human has Buddha-nature. The thing is, is like we have these mirror, where it's it's like we just had to shower and the mirror is fogged. And if you go and look in the mirror, you cannot see yourself. So all the Buddha says is to start cleaning that mirror and get a glimpse, even just a tiny little glimpse of who you are, which is there in every single soul. All of a sudden everything changes. Oh, that is me, you know and embrace that. You know, I believe it's key for healing. It's key for moving forward and be the person like you said before, who do you want to become, you know, who are you when nobody's watching? Who are you? You know, these people around and all of a sudden you have to go to the restroom. Everybody has to go there, right? And we usually go by ourselves

Amy Thomas  

I'm having an experience now where somebody just passed away that was really dear to me and gave us the 29th of April. So it's really rods really. The sense I get is that they're there all the time. It changed my shower experience. It changed my bathroom experience. It changed when I'm flossing. Even as I walk in. There's clutter down here. It's like Oh, it changes everything. But you know why? It had a way of just humanizing the relationship and creating this intimacy. And actually, I know from the past that it could have made me more insecure. But instead, in this ripe age that I'm experiencing, it's actually making me more secure. So that's proof that if we can find a way to be safe with our vulnerabilities, there is power there. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. so powerful. so powerful. And you know, what happens? Compassion will come up. Yes. Cooking.

Amy Thomas  

Talking about the mirror, I wanted to interject and say yes, but look in that mirror with compassion.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Yes, absolutely. You know, we are so hard on ourselves, people are so hard on themselves. And yet, if they see someone else, they jump all over them, and they want to make them feel right and, and beautiful. But they going there with an empty cup, you know, a little bit more compassion to ourselves, and a little bit less judgmental. Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, at the end of the day, as I said, Before, we all full of shit. Never gonna be perfect. I mean, honestly, imagine a world perfect, right? Imagine, imagine a world with the same tree, the same, the same colors, the same amount of leaves the same trunk, the same everything. It will be absolutely disgusting, right? You go to the woods, because it's, it's a mess. But that mess has so much harmony and so much reconnection to yourself. Because it's the, you know, imperfection makes it perfect, right? And all of a sudden, you kind of feel like home, it's like nature from Latin. I'm home, right to be born. So it's like, yeah, to be with ourselves. We want to be perfect. You know, we want everything to have to be that way, you know, and they're idle. And yucky, you know?

Amy Thomas  

So I heard it coined probably by you about getting messages from our messes. Yes, you say that a lot. I thought it was. And it's so true. There really is just so much and, and I agree, we really don't want perfection. And another little thing that I reach for is if you write the word imperfection down. I am totally imperfect I am. Yes.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Once we see life like that, see, even Yes, we go through challenges, right? I mean, yes, things happen. This, like you, said at the beginning, you know about Chad, let's not deny that it's right into denial. This is not happening. It is happening. I mean, I was abandoned by my parents. I was sexually abused. I was told that you did have an issue with you. That shit happens and happens. Yes, it's unfortunate, right. But it didn't happen to hold us back. It happened because he was just, you know, another way to learn something, you know, and if we can see that.

Amy Thomas  

So offer it to waste. Two metaphors that will seem to contradict each other. But I'll make my point. And it has to do with that resistance that you just described. So when you have a setback or something goes terribly wrong, or there's something traumatic, definitely, there's a lot of resistance around that. No question about it. But when we get down to the idea of resistance in mechanics of the world, when we want a mountain climb, we put cleats on our shoes to create that traction. So we know we can use resistance to help propel us upwards. Likewise, if you take the sport of curling, where they're trying to get that little orange to go, they're trying to smooth out the Yes, I think the differences to mindfully decide do I want the resistance? Can I use the resistance? Or is this the time to let go of the resistance? The resistance out of the way and if we're conscious and mindful of that. Life can be so much smoother, no matter what it throws at us. Oh, my God.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Yeah, totally. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. So let me ask you... Tell me about magnetic mind coach, tell me about that.

Amy Thomas  

So the beautiful thing that captured me about that is I really enjoy Abraham hicks. And so I was headed into YouTube to watch Abraham hicks who know what the topic was. And I popped this, you know, redheaded guy Qt, you know, probably half my age, and he's just cute as hell. And he says, what I'm about to tell you is going to change your life forever. And I was hooked. I might have it I get hooked. It's a stupid YouTube ad. So I watch it through and the guy's premise was this, this concept of accessing the superconscious, the collective unconscious, how Carl Jung said it. And accessing that knowledge that field is Joe Dispenza calls it to govern our lives to guide our lives. And it was his promise about removing the resistance, just getting it out of the way. So what if you're depressed, create Anyway, what a great story. This is me now, what a great story. If I can say I was depressed for 50 years and look what I created anyway. Amen. Right. Amen. His main premise is don't fix yourself, you're not broken. You just wrote a book called you're not broken. It's launching tomorrow as a matter of fact. So it's out there, people want to get a real quick dive into it. It's great stuff. And I was just hooked because I was an integrated coach for 20 years. Loved it. This is Debbie Ford's take on Carl Young's and Shadow Work because you talked about the shadows. And what we would do is go in and we discover or uncover sub-personalities, so part personalities and these are the keepers of our different shadows, we can have light shadows, and we can have dark shadows. A dark shadow might be around integrity or honesty, or whatever you name it and doing well in school being pretty in school, you know, whatever it is, you know, and when it has that negative energy, it's considered a dark shadow, when it has positive energy such as she was an A student, and she has the most beautiful voice that I've ever heard. And, gosh, he's the best debater I've ever met. You know, those are the light shadows. But we tend to hide our light shadows under a basket. Like you said earlier, we discount what we're doing right. And our next dark shadows we don't even argue with we just take them for what they presented. yesterday said personality processes were all about diving in and finding out what those parts of ourselves had to teach us. So a process I did one time was I came from a family of no at all. We are just obnoxious around the table. And you know, you ask an engineering question my oldest brother takes over and will tell you everything about you know how that battery was made. You ask a psychology question, I jumped in and I know it all. It's so obnoxious, Rodolfo. So I did a process on it, to get to know it. There's no at all part of myself. And you know what the wisdom was that I heard it, just be still and listen for what you don't know. Because it will be there. So even if I think I can finish their sentences or finish their sentences better. Listen, Amy, for what you don't know. And it just changed all my relationships once I got that sub-personality. So it sounds fabulous. It's wonderful. But you know what the problem was, there was always another sub-personality that needed attention. And that was always another process that needed to be done with a magnetic mind. There isn't what you do is you just show up you say this is what I want to create. This is what seems to be standing in the way it's usually a limiting belief or it's, you know, a memory that's telling you, you can't do it or you don't want to do it because our unconscious wants to keep us safe. And then you just move that resistance out of the way and then you go and create you come out of the process with inspired action and the most important thing you do is take that action because so many people don't follow through. Yeah. And it was Campbell who said, you know that the life you ought to be living becomes the life you're living, and the doors open where you never knew they were going to be. That's what's happens when you take inspired action. When you allow your superconscious to guide you. It's just absolutely phenomenal. How I would sum up magnetic mind I just I love it. I love it. 

Rodolfo De Angeli  

I freaking love this. All right, now in the podcast towards as we as we are getting towards the end. There's a part of the podcast where I want to share your song The song that your favorite song, right? What are we gonna do now we're gonna listen to that song. For a little bit, and then I'll get back to you.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

I never heard it before. But I do love it. And definitely, life is a circle. But my question to you is this, what does this mean? What does this song mean to you?

Amy Thomas  

Well, it definitely triggers something very sentimental into me. And what it causes me to do is really find how precious life is. And whether we believe in past lives, or we believe it's just this life that we're going through one time. I think that we revisit patterns throughout our lives, and we just keep coming back around. And at the end of the song he talks about, you know, I've met you 1000 times, I guess you've done the same because we're all in it together. And if I've met you 1000 times, you know, I've met your listeners 1000 times, right. And if we just honor what's going on in them, as we entered an honor, what's going on in the world would be so much more peaceful, there'd be so much more attractive for the lights, as we described. And I think it would just be so much more fulfilling. And the funny thing is, the song actually brings up melancholy for me, it's not necessarily uplifting, but it's so tender and so beautiful and so sincere, that I think that that's why I love it so much. And it just stirs up all this gratitude and appreciation. That is so beautiful. I

Rodolfo De Angeli  

definitely can hear that in your voice. And you know, this is a part of when I hold my retreats, my shamanic retreats, and the people are invited to drink medicine and in medicine that comes from the end is a very, very powerful entheogen. And I know that every time I am the last person to drink, and as I lift my cup to drink before I drink I always say I drink this medicine for the good of all. Because it's not about us. Right, Amy? Learn about us. Never had. It never has been never will be. You know, it's a bad everything. It's about the good of all the good, the good of everything. Right? And that's why you do the work you do I do the work I do. It's not to be seen a different way or No. Look at me. I got it all sorted out. Man, I got so much shit. I can you know everybody does. But we still decide to push through, we still decided to instead of letting it overpower us. We tried to use it as mud to build this wall. This thing this masterpiece. That is our life. You know, so I, yeah, I totally agree with you. When you say the service and you know what the song represents? It's not just about us.

Amy Thomas  

Never, never will be you know, now. Now it's really not. And I don't leave self-awareness on the table by any stretch of the imagination. But I definitely my dad tells a story or told a story. He was in World War Two. And back then they at night could go off top ship. He was on some sort of carrier, he could go up and just look at the stars as the ocean. And he talked about this profound sense of significance and insignificance that occurred at the same time. And it came from looking at those stars and realizing that he was so tiny in this vast universe. Then at the same moment, he could feel that he was everything in this universe Anyway, it was really profound. I remember driving home from school one day, and he told me that story and luck, it's stuck with me. And it was the seed for this concept I have of the 100 100 theory where you're 100%, humanity, and 100% of the entity. And if you don't try to do 7030 or 5050, and you strive for that, 100 100 the service you're going to be able to provide the humanity is going to be over the top, the life that you're going to live is going to be so fulfilling the love that you're going to attract. So I just really believe in this 100 100 and it has to do with being 100% divinity 100% humanity 100% significant 100% insignificant, and just keep filling in the blank. And it's not to diminish us. It elevates us when we juxtapose the two together.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

This is what your dad's story 100% reflects Is this apart again? When I am during my preparation and you know about to serve the people and so on? is there's you know, speaking to spirit, I don't call it God to me, it's spirit. And I was you know, I think to show us devices as it is above it is it is within us right it's the thing you know, and yeah 100%

Amy Thomas  

I love the stories that I have where I experienced that are amazing because I could totally be and I fear-based experience in my human humanity and have all the symptoms sweating, shaking, heart, breathing. But then you have this overwhelming divinity that's just balancing it all out. So you have all the physiological but you have this divinity and you know, everything is okay. It's a profound experience. And I think it can deliver you the one time that it happened to me I was involved in a car accident where I should have died three times. And you know, the first part of it was well, the first part is actually me almost going off a cliff and I was talking out loud and I was terrified but I remember being really calm. I said no, no, no, we can't go over there and I'm pulling the wheel like this and then I start shooting across two-four lanes of traffic into the traffic heading on. I said that's not gonna work. I remember this fight but you know, those medians in the middle cause the car to start to roll and I can feel the client I said no, that's not gonna work either. The car clunk down, and I pulled off to the side of the road, just stood there and all my physiological emotional response, but completely calm. I got out of the car, people started pouring out coming up. One guy was ranting and raving and saying, You are all over the road. Like, I didn't know it. I put my hand on his heart. I literally touched him. I didn't say a word. And in my mind, I said, I know I was all over the road. I don't need you here. When the police come, I just need calm. And I need this to just be a miracle. I need it to be okay. So please just go. And I remember he went like this. And I didn't say any of that out loud. All I did was put my hand on his chest. He went like this. And then he turned around, gotten his truck drove away. It seemed to be a cue for everybody else. Everybody else drove away. And I was left with one woman who sort of knew me from our community. And she stood and waited till the police came and the police were completely calm. And that's what I needed was calm. I first did it. And the police were completely called. They were amazed at the cliff. They could see my wheel had gone off the cliff. They're like, how did you not like go? I'm like, I don't know. And then they could see the tire marks on the other day. How did you not I'm like, I don't know... the car was totaled. They're like, how did you I said, I don't know. 

Rodolfo De Angeli  

This is absolutely is Wow. It's beautiful. I really appreciate you so much Amy for doing this. Now. I do this usually towards the end of the episodes of my podcast and there is a question is, if you had a question for yourself, if you could ask yourself a question and give yourself the answer. What question would that be? 

Amy Thomas  

And as I right now, is it in the past? No. Right now, I know what question I reached for first, but I want to see if something else comes up. So let me just be quiet for a moment. Okay, now I have to listen for the answer so that computers that hold on. Okay. So the first question I heard that I automatically reach for is what I already said earlier, who are you becoming? And when I ask, Who am I becoming? I just see this magnificent person that has all of these wonderful qualities of humility, humanity, love, intelligence, ease wisdom, all of it rolled up into one. That's who I'm becoming, and I love becoming her. And that led to the real question for this particular moment is Amy, what do you love? What do you love? And it was almost beyond words, the answer that I saw because it was almost like this big, really light. And so if I had to put it into words, I would say I just love ease and lightness that lightness of beingness I love being but I also love being relatable. I love being human. I'm on the planet after all, so I don't want to be some Earth Angel. Somebody called me an earth Angel. Once I'm like, No, I'm a human being let me tell you.I'm on the planet. I wanted all that I really love all that light, all that ease all that sense of well-being but bring it baby because I'm strong enough to take it.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

So good. I love it. I love it. Wow. Wow.

So before, before we wrap this up, Amy, anything you want to share anything more you want to add any more you want to say?

Amy Thomas  

Well, I'm just really dying to hear the answer view again. What question would you ask yourself and what would be your answer? Do you mind me pivoting back to you?

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Put me on the spot right here. The last time I worked with Don Howard Lawler in Peru. He was very, very ill he suffered from amyloidosis. And eventually, he passed away from kidney failure. He was really, really close to my heart. And when we held our last retreat together, which was in August 2018. And then he started to do chemo and went to the US because he lived in Peru and, and, and went back to the US to do some therapy. And as we finished there, he left the retreat center, but I kept on doing some more work with another teacher. Sad for another month, more or less. And before he left, he came to say goodbye. And I remember he put his hands on my shoulders. And the last words were you match on hermano! And sometimes the question is that am I matching on? You know, am I truly marching on to make no to him? not follow what he taught me in and all of that, but for me for really coming on you know full circle on my own life. Sometimes I do ask myself, am I really marching on...? The answer? The answer is I think I am. The answer, honestly, is it's not a categorical Yes. No, no, definitely not. It's not a no, but it's not a categorical Yes. And I think there's a bit of humility required on my part here, and I gotta be honest and say I think I am. Now I think there's a lot to learn still, I think there's a lot of things do to still, you know, break down and make them a little bit in smaller pieces. But I think the answer I think I am. So yeah. Thank you for putting anyone on the spot, right, there we go.

Amy Thomas  

He's probably with you, what do you feel? Like? That's possible?

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Oh, yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because I do, you know, I hold the retreats every four to six weeks. And we have one coming up now this weekend, the next one. And obviously, I do a lot of my own work here, you know, using those antigens and, and just learning in the practice, and I follow practices 3500 years old. So it's a very old lineage that I was taught in. So there's a lot of learning that needs to go into that. So he's always there, you know, he's always coming in, his energy is always coming through. And even when I hold my retreats, you know, there, there are times where, I mean, I'm doing a particular thing during the ceremony. And I can really feel him sometimes really, truly comes through, and I can literally see him shaking the maracas thing. We had, we had a really, really strong, strong bond, also, because I never wanted to do this work to tell you the honest truth. And he was the one that actually saw more than what I ever have seen before that, and, and it started teaching me and eventually, he eventually invited me to hold ceremonies at his center, which no one has ever done before that for 45 years before that, and then eventually, we held ceremonies together at his retreat center. So he's, he's, you know, is really close to my heart and as a person that I miss in a physical way because I used to love listening to him talk, but, but I am blessed to be able to connect with him when I need to, and, and it's, it's, it's beautiful. Absolutely.

Amy Thomas  

The name that I give to him. And to my friends and intimates that come through are the invisible intimates. Yeah. And there, they're only him in the flesh and bone we miss. They're so present. And I love how you describe that you could see his hand coming through. Yeah, yeah,

Rodolfo De Angeli  

sometimes they lead through and because they, they practice and we, we have in Mesa, which is an altar, which represents the Andean cross, and this is where the ceremony goes now. And you're, you're coming towards the front, where you drink your cup in, in also when you want to connect to the energies of the altar in the ceremony. And sometimes he, he literally is at the mesa as a walk pretty much into him. It's like this, this incredible, I get goosebumps, just talking about it, but it's, yeah, it's very special, very, very special. But I have that with my dad as well, though, my father and I never had a great connection when he was alive, whenever I was unable to repair that relationship as I did with my mother. So I wish I had done that in the human room, but we did that in the spiritual realm. And my father is, is also coming in. And I get to, you know, to, I guess, hang out with him sometimes and just talk to him, especially when things got tough. And, you know, in recent years when my you know, my wife went through cancer and, and all that stuff for us losing our company and whatever, you know, they gather around.

Amy Thomas  

They definitely feel them. I can't really separate their energy, but sometimes you can. I know when my dad comes, he smoked certain pipe tobacco and not be able to smell it. And nobody else can. One time though, when I was at the hospital working. I remember Lisa came into the office she was, just welled up to smell that and I was smiling because I knew what she was smelling but I was waiting. I didn't want to feed her you know, so you don't have to watch.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

That stuff exists for sure.

Amy Thomas  

Yeah, oh my god,

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Oh my god. Um, so we have had to wrap it up one thing you would like to share with anyone who will listen to this or watch this a tip one thing two things, what to do in case of whatever, I know you have a beautiful gift for any listeners, I will put the link in the descriptions, but also on YouTube, it will obviously the link will come up as as a banner on the bottom, which is a beautiful gift from you. But yet what is.

Amy Thomas  

So I think I'd circle back to one of the earlier parts of our dialogue says, no matter what you're going through, always reach for that slightly better feeling slightly better thought and allow it to guide you to the next thing and feel welcome to hang out there for a little bit to see who you meet, what thoughts you have, what realizations you have, what you come to know about yourself, and then reach for the next one because there's really no ceiling on joy and love and bliss. And as you're reaching out, I would invite you to allow it. Because a lot of times as humans, we're conditioned by our depression or we're conditioned by how people treated us. We're conditioned by circumstances. And we think that if these are the circumstances or a person's treating it this way, or we have depression, that this is how we have to be, and it's not really true. So as Rodolfo said, question it. Question it. You really have to be and who are you becoming? And as you ask that question, have the courage to hear the answer, have the courage to do something different, because you probably will be invited to do something different and it might be uncomfortable. And remember, it's okay to be imperfect. It's okay because imperfect is on perfection, I am perfect. And if you do want any shortcuts, they're out there, you know, but we don't know if they're all sustainable. But I will make a pitch that the re-codes with magnetic mines so far for me have been sustainable. I've been amazed. So keep that in mind. And I think Adolfo, you've probably noticed with your work with your shamanic work, that there are different things they do with journeying. And there are different things they do with the ancestral, I'll call them treatments that do take and they do make a difference. So if you really do feel like you want to cut through all the yuck and the muck, there are ways to do it, seek them out, they will come to you and be open and allow that healing to occur. And that's everything up.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

What away and tell me more. Tell the people about your little mini-course, which is going on the bottom right now, which is promo dot impact 90 six.com forward slash mini dash course.

Amy Thomas  

So this is how you can dip your toe into the magnetic mind method. And I am the teacher on it. And there are basically five steps to becoming a super conscious creator, I systematically go through each of those steps. And I give you insights and things to think about, I teach you how you can become a super conscious creator without the recode that I just referenced. But if you do want to recode they're very inexpensive 49 bucks, you can get one and it's a great experience. I really love them. But the cool thing is if you can catch Chris Duncan, that's my mentor and teacher. If you can catch him on YouTube, doing a recode group recodes you can actually learn how to do it yourself. And so put my course with one of his recoats on there. And you could theoretically be set to become a super conscious creator and create no matter what you're dealing with. It's amazing. I love it.

Rodolfo De Angeli  

Amen. Amy Thomas. If you find her on Facebook, Amy Thomas, go to get your gift, your free course on promo dot impact 90 six.com forward slash mini dash course. It's there for you going get it? Um, reach out to her connect with her. She's beautiful, beautiful so I'm super blessed to be able to have done this with you. And we'll be perhaps seeing ourselves in the next couple of days. We are doing a course together as well for the last year pretty much yeah. And this shows that for not for us the road never ends either. You know we are still going and still putting ourselves out there. So, Amy, I really want to thank you so so so much for having done this with me. You man, I don't know what better way I could have spent this time with you. You're absolutely beautiful. And I look forward to doing this again and tapping into our journeys and share what we are doing and so on and can't wait to do that. So I really appreciate you. And yeah,

Amy Thomas  

I'll say, everybody asked me a question of yourself, Am I marching on? Amy Thomas says, Yes, absolutely. You're marching on this valuable conversation I've had, and I've just loved it. So thank you so much. And with your permission, I would like to dedicate this episode to those who are invisible intimates because I think they were really present today. 

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