Tonight we had the pleasure of speaking with Raven Keefer from the No Apologies podcast! Dude is wealth of info and if you want to see all the awesome stuff he can talk about definitely check out his podcast on pretty much all the pod players. For this swapcast we did somethin a bit different and got interviewed by Raven about doing podcasts, the time we spend not doing shows, and basically just an open chat about my & Jen's life in this weird world. Check him out on IG @noapologiesenoughsaid as well. Thanks for listening!

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