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On this episode, Kris and I discuss the agency of oceans, the Nazca lines, head jars,  microchips as the dream of a city, Stonehenge, the Blythe Intaglios, projects across time, the arch as a concept, apprenticeship, art as an ascetic practice, how it's all one meditation, Charles Fort, self-expression, and mystery panthers.

Robert Smithson

Unathi Slasha

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