JDO here. On this episode, Kris and I follow up on our idea of writing as explorative rather than expressive. We discuss the sensory impact of Oklahoma, the people in my neighborhood, fitting into a place, performative weirdness versus natural weirdness, Kafka, The Flaming Lips, David Lynch, the musicality of the word "Oklahoma," incorporating words from other languages, and the magic of metaphor.

I hope you're enjoying this new show. Kris and I are having a blast.