Earlier this week Irish Times columnist Chris Johns wrote about why a hard Brexit on October 31st will be the beginning, rather than the end, of a chaotic phase in Britain’s history and that the country is facing a future as a failed state. He talks to Ciarán about why that is and why he believes that Boris Johnson’s decision to back Dominic Cummings as his senior adviser will come back to haunt him.

They’re joined by Ibec’s director of policy and public affairs Fergal O’Brien to discuss why it is so difficult for Irish business to prepare for a no-deal outcome, how the Irish economy will cope and what measures Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe needs to take in October’s budget to soften the landing in 2020.

Plus: Peter Hamilton takes us through some of the week’s other business news including Ryanair’s scuppered pilot strike, Facebook’s new privacy tool and Hershey’s stake in Irish snack brand Fulfil.