Jon and Lisa reflect on the meaning of protest and argue that speaking out against the government is one of the most patriotic acts in a democracy. They unpack the idea behind the “No Kings” movement, contrasting the role of a president with the dangers of power being treated like personal authority. Drawing on history, they compare modern leadership behavior to the values set by figures like Washington and Lincoln, emphasizing the importance of accountability and restraint. The conversation also explores how civic participation, from protesting to voting, remains essential to keeping the system responsive to the people.