This topic discusses issues in the relationship between Church and State in the modern Western world, so evident in the declining faithful community (with report from both the USA and UK). By assessing trends in human thought and secular influences, it explains theories which expose reasons why society today disregards the reality and truth of God. Two part interview with Dr. Joel Biermann, Waldemar A. and June Schuette Professor of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, MO