In this episode of the Preach It Better Podcast, host Micah Stephens sits down with Mike Caulley to talk about calling, failure, preaching, leadership, and the lessons learned from more than 25 years in ministry.

The conversation explores storytelling, vulnerability in preaching, AI as a creative tool, and one of Mike's strongest convictions: pastors need to recover the practice of Sabbath—not as recovery from ministry, but as preparation for it.

This episode is packed with wisdom for pastors, church leaders, and communicators who want to lead with greater health, humility, and dependence on Jesus. One reminder stands above the rest: nobody gets saved under your name.