Mark Meadows, Tim Murtaugh, Lara Trump, Liz Harrington, and more.  All of them fail to provide any coherent defensive Trump whenever they are interviewed by anyone who challenges them in any way. It starts with lies, then fact checks, then they lose their temper and blurred out insane things, raising the hostility in the room to wear eventually the interview has to be prematurely terminated. This happens constantly and no one is able to provide any reason to believe the Trump has done a decent job of anything since the pandemic started, and very few things prior to that. And yet, somehow I believe Trump supporters see these interviews and come away from them believing that their guy or girl somehow "won."