Amanda Milius, film director extraordinaire of The Plot Against the President - the number one documentary film of 2020 - joins me on this call. 

We talk about the national security state, a topic that Amanda brought to forefront with her movie, and which she saw up close during her time as a former Trump admin appointee at the State Department.

It was impossible to keep this convo under 30min, we had so much to talk about - and a lot of fun!

Make sure you follow Amanda on Twitter and watch The Plot Against the President.