In the second installment of a two-part conversation, Aaron is joined by Dr. Norman Doidge, a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who served on the faculty at Columbia University's Center for Psychoanalytic Training and Research and the University of Toronto's Department of Psychiatry. Dr. Doidge is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, The Brain that Changes Itself, and The Brain’s Way of Healing. Aaron and Norman turn their conversation to mainstream medicine, which in Dr. Doidge’s view, has neglected the human soul through the deification of science. They also discuss the corruption of the scientific method by industry and government overreach.