Andrea and Amy start things off by sharing some takeaways from the first four episodes of the podcast; including what’s up with “heavy breathing” and fart sounds? They also discuss some of their fears and phobias, like Amy’s phobia of things with holes (aka trypophobia) and Andrea’s fear of shower drains, pool drains… well, basically allthe drains. Middle Age Conversations makes a comeback for a quick chat about lovely lady lumps and nose hairs. Annd, they do get around to a self-help topic about healing from a broken relationship.

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