Sam Adler-Bell is a writer and host of the excellent podcast Know Your Enemy. In this conversation, we discuss his recent piece in The Drift, “Doctor Do-Little: The Case Against Anthony Fauci,” which takes aim at the political practice and philosophies of a figure who has become, for better or worse, the public face of America’s pandemic response. Along the way, we examine Fauci’s role in the AIDS crisis of the 1980s, his disastrous flip-flop on the efficacy of masks, and the wider implications of neoliberal “hero” discourse in the context of public health.