Who are "the people"? Erik Baker joins us to discuss his latest piece in n+1, a review of Thomas Frank's 2020 book The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism. Baker takes on Frank's New Deal nostalgia and romantic vision of a monolithic, left-leaning American working class, a set of distorted perspectives that still hold weight for a significant portion of the (extremely online) left. In this conversation, we explore what's the matter with Frank's analysis, and how to move past the ahistorical assumptions that continue to animate progressive discourse. For more on left populism and angry white dudes, check out this week's bonus episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-285-party-its-54555603