A podcast where leadership gets real. Because at work, it's not all business.

Not All Business features two rival tech CEOs turned friends - Blakely Graham and Heather Cooper - hosting the conversations everyone avoids about the messy reality of leadership.

Think of us as Sex Ed for Leadership - answering all the questions professionals are too afraid to ask, with occasional reality checks from our producer, Clay.

Join us for serious insights. Slightly less serious hosts.

New episodes every Thursday.

Connect with us: Website: notall.biz

Instagram: @notallbiz

LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/company/notallbusiness