In this episode, we had a great conversation with a university lecturer who has taught in several universities, a mom of three children and a prominent figure in the art and design world of Indonesia, Tasya Made Nuarta. Our conversation covers a range of school system to the life skills that students need in real life as they embark on their journey to be part of their working society. In the end, we realized that the journey of Indonesia's education, and education in general is still a long and hard road indeed. Take a listen and we do hope you can come up with your own thought about education.