In this episode we had a conversation with Ms Grasheli, Fashion Designer and Lecturer from Binus University Alam Sutera. It was refreshing to hear that students are able to settle into the university routines and demand quite seamlessly and that there seems to be effort made by some schools in Jakarta to support and develop creative programs instead of just the more mainstream of academics. This was a good conversation as it challenges my own perspective that schools are still adamant to push for more science based subject achievements rather than exploring more options as from what I know, students who were more creatively inclined felt suffocated as there were no room for them to grow.