Chairman & CEO Michael Kraus joins Jason Burns on Last2First to break down how Expak Logistics rebuilt from the ground up, including the bold choice to walk away from Amazon, shift to an asset-light managed transportation model, and scale nationwide through an agent network, strong SOPs, and obsessive operational discipline.

If you’re building in the final mile / middle mile / retail distribution, this episode is packed with real operator insight: how to price intelligently, choose the right carrier partners, run clean launches, reduce noise for customers, and win long-term through consistency.

 01:44 — Intro + meeting Michael Kraus in California
 03:14 — Michael’s origin story: Wall Street → M&A → logistics
 06:24 — The “printing + parcels” synergy that didn’t work
 08:34 — Why logistics was the long-term bet
 09:49 — Discovering X Pack Logistics (2011–2012)
 11:24 — The bold reset: selling off ~80–90% of revenue
 13:24 — The Amazon growth lesson: “not just any growth”
 15:04 — X Pack today: nationwide coverage + agent network model
 16:54 — Why customers trust them without owning assets
 18:54 — How X Pack manages 50+ active partners (and a database of 800)
 20:49 — Front-end analytics + the “one-pager” carrier package
 24:04 — SOPs that actually get read + how they launch new programs
 26:54 — Pricing guidance: art + science + capacity reality
 29:24 — What makes a great carrier partner
 30:49 — “Why do we exist?” accountability vs blaming subcontractors
 33:09 — Private equity perspective: building long-term (no debt)
 35:54 — Leadership shift: investor → operator lessons
 37:54 — Writing SOPs for real-world execution (not “Wall Street lawyers”)
 40:04 — AI in logistics: where it helps + where it doesn’t
 42:54 — Sales = relationships: “email isn’t closing a deal”
 45:44 — Parenting + coaching: delegation, mistakes, growth
 48:54 — Competitive edge + “chip on my shoulder” mindset
 50:54 — Quiet peak season = operational excellence
 53:54 — Future of last mile: service, stability, and “quieting the noise”
 57:04 — California risk (AB5 / classification) + being thoughtful
 58:54 — “Last2First moment”: walking away from Amazon
 1:00:54 — Closing thoughts + what X Pack is focused on next 

Guest: Michael Kraus/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-s-kraus-547a278/
https://expak.com/

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