The business of budgeting brings to mind images of spreadsheets, calculators and civil servants locked away windowless rooms carrying out endless number crunching exercises. But does the way we think about the budgeting process damage our understanding of how important budgets are? In chapter three of ODI's November podcast, Jonathan Tanner speaks to Antoinette Sayeh - Africa Director, International Monetary Fund - and Philipp Krause - Budget Strengthening Initiative, ODI - about politics of budgeting in the real world.