In this week's episode, Spencer has talks with Graham Annesley, currently the head of elite football operations for the NRL (National Rugby League), a former chief executive officer of the Gold Coast Titans, chief operating officer of the NRL and a leading rugby league referee. Graham was a former member of politician in the New South Wales Legislative Assembly representing Miranda and was the Minister for Sport and Recreation from 2011-2013.

0:45 - NRL rule changes
1:30 - Scrum chat
2:50 - What he's up to
3:30 - International opportunities
5:10 - Maintaining the talent pool
6:45 - His umpiring journey and beyond
10:30 - Differences and similarities between fields
13:35 - Innovations in his career
16:10 - Hurdles
18:50 - COVID adjustments
20:10 - Business and life advice

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