When NSPA announced the three 2021 recipients of their prestigious Pioneer Award and Jim saw long-time friend Leland Mallett on the list, he knew he wanted Leland to come on the podcast again.

In this episode, Jim and Leland chat about what this award means to Leland, how the yearbook world has changed over his 22-year career, and what the last two years have been like while they produced a yearbook during COVID. 

If you'd like to see some of the covers and spreads discussed in the episode, this year's cover, last year's cover, the shoe spread, and the giant type spread can be viewed on our website.