What if the thing you fear most isn’t disobeying God—but losing your current relationship with Him?

In this raw and reflective conversation, Ernie and Robby dive deep into the paradox of obedience that disrupts rather than reinforces our spiritual comfort zones. From marriage tension to spiritual calling, they wrestle with what it means to follow God into places that don’t feel safe—but may lead to deeper union.

Key themes:

• Obedience as an act of intimacy, not performance
• Why we fear letting go of even good experiences of God
• The cross as a portal to unexpected communion
• How marriage and calling often surface our hidden attachments

Choice Quotes:

“The goal of obedience isn’t compliance—it’s communion.”

“I realized I wasn’t afraid of disobeying God. I was afraid of losing the relationship I already had with Him.”

“Disruptive grace shows up when God asks you to risk your comfort with Him… in order to know Him more.”

Listen if:

You’re navigating a season of spiritual tension, relational challenge, or disruptive invitation—and want to press in without falling apart.