Dr. David Hegg is the senior pastor at Grace baptist church in Santa Clarita California. He has a M.A. in theology from Western Baptist Seminary, and a D.Min from Westminster Theological Seminary in California.

He's written several books, including "The Obedience Option, Because God Knows What's Good for Us."

Our conversation focuses on the book and why it's important to obey God especially when it's hard or when we're stuck in a cycle of disobedience.

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