On this episode I talk with Mike Myers about the occult as "kayfabe"—a term from professional wrestling that's all about suspending disbelief. Occultism comprises many different practices such as ritual magic, tarot card reading, and more, and would seem to be the furthest possible thing from a skeptical worldview. But Mike is both a skeptic and an occultist. In this episode we talk about how that's possible and what other nonbelievers might gain from being "kayfabe occultists."