This is another disturbing phone call where I am calling to talk to Alex and Carl says he is there but I cannot hear Alex. He says that Alex is watching a movie and like the previous phone call I cannot hear the TV and I cannot hear Alex. What is easily heard on this phone call is Carl’s voice my voice and Kevin‘s voice. Kevin was in my custody at the time and he was a toddler and you can hear him in the recording but you cannot hear Alex even though Karo says he is there.

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