Taking the Reins with Clay Cavinder

Off Course but On Track: How Detours Can Lead to Big Dreams


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In this episode of Taking the Reins with Clay Cavinder, Clay sits down with Dr. Jessica Graves – a lifelong horse lover, former undergraduate coordinator at Mississippi State University, and now the Director of International Capacity Development for the M4 Institute. Jessica shares her inspiring journey of embracing life’s unexpected turns and how stepping through open doors can lead to incredible opportunities. Together, Clay and Jessica talk about navigating career changes, trusting the process when plans shift, and the amazing ways life can surprise you when you follow your passions.

Tune in for an encouraging conversation about growth, resilience, and saying “yes” to the opportunities that can change your life!

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Taking the Reins with Clay CavinderBy Clay Cavinder