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This episode of Offstage America comes straight from the table at Cadillac Creek Outfitters — four guys, a few drinks in, and absolutely no plan to keep it on the rails.

Michael Ray and Paul sit down with rising artists and songwriters Tanner Usrey and Joel Cooley after a full day in the blind, and it turns into exactly what you’d expect — stories, chaos, music talk, and a whole lot of shit talking.

They get into how Tanner built his career from the ground up, grinding through Texas and figuring it out the hard way, and how Joel is just getting started — balancing songwriting, touring, and now caddying for John Daly while chasing his shot in music.

The conversation jumps everywhere — first tours, playing for nobody, living out of vans, how the industry’s changed, and why there’s no single path anymore. One minute it’s real insight into what it takes to make it, the next it’s complete nonsense about donuts, bad decisions, and whatever else comes to mind.

At the core of it, though, it’s about the grind — betting on yourself, figuring it out as you go, and staying in it long enough for something to hit.

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