It's been 4 years since NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick set off a national debate about the Star Spangled Banner. In the years since, we've seen many reflect on what he was saying, was he right? Was he unpatriotic? Should we have been listening? In this episode, panelist Hank Van Putten reflects on the workshop he developed on the subject and what it all means in the broader context of social injustice, race in America and the current racial reckoning in America.