In this episode Matilyn and her friend Katerina Elshaug discuss Katerina's experience getting a master's degree in Pastoral Studies at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Katerina was one of the first six women to graduate from this program and shares her advice on being the only woman in the room. She also shares some of her thoughts for women who want to connect with faith and spirituality but have been caused pain by organized religion. In addition to her studies, Katerina runs an awesome small business on Instagram where she sells thrifted clothes (you can even hire her to go shopping for you!)

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Full episode transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IgZonTlAAUrMu_VwPEyO03-HYpl0rHtZ/edit#

Episode music: "At The Count" and "Something Elated" by Broke for Free