A Moment with Erik Fleming

On Black Organ Donation, I’m Not Yelling, and White Fragility Featuring Robert Chelsea, Elizabeth Leiba, and Dr. Robin DiAngelo


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In this episode, Robert Chelsea, the first African American male to receive a face transplant, makes an appeal for more Black organ donors; Elizabeth Leiba, author of the new book I'm Not Yelling, talks about why it was important to write this book; and Dr. Robin DiAngelo, author of the books White Fragility and Nice Racism, discusses the challenges of getting white allies to understand their role in systemic racism.
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A Moment with Erik FlemingBy Erik R Fleming

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