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In this insightful interview, Edzo Botjes, an antifragility and cyber resilience expert, discusses the importance of embracing chaos and uncertainty in today's organizations. He explains how the Cynefin framework can help distinguish between ordered and unordered contexts, emphasizing the need for companies to adapt to complexity. Edzo explains the concept of antifragility, contrasting it with resilience and robustness, and highlights how organizations can benefit from stress and challenges over time. He also shares his journey into antifragility research, including his experiences with agile practices and autonomous teams. Edzo introduces his Extended Antifragile Attribute List, which categorizes resilience into engineering, systems, and complex adaptive systems resilience. Throughout the interview, he underscores the importance of continuous learning and foresight. Practical steps for organizations to become more antifragile are also discussed, focusing on balancing stability with adaptability.