Some of North Carolina’s key COVID-19 metrics are trending slightly downward, but that doesn’t mean the pandemic is close to being over. Host Dave DeWitt talks with Rose Hoban, editor of North Carolina Health News , about the latest COVID numbers and the state of rural hospitals and vaccine trials in North Carolina. We also hear producer Charlie Shelton-Ormond discuss ethics during the pandemic with Jim Thomas, associate professor of epidemiology and a fellow at the Parr Center for Ethics at the