Sari Botton, Michele Filgate, Danielle A. Jackson and Carina del Valle Schorske talk about what it's like to be both writers and editors, and how they have both written for and edited for each other.

This episode is a production of Longreads and Charts & Leisure, produced by Mike Rugnetta, with help from Jason Oberholtzer. Hosted by Catherine Cusick.

Mixed by Michael Simonelli. Recorded at Fortunate Horse Studios in Brooklyn.

Longreads' theme music was written and performed by Brian Donohoe.