Co-host William Gallagher is convinced that this week’s reveal of Viv, from the original makers of Siri, is a very big deal and Malcolm Owen isn’t. One week on from their series-defining agreement over something or other, they’re back to this. For once, though, one of them actually convinces the other about something. We know: impossible. There’s no such thing as proper conversation, certainly not on podcasts or the telly, there is just one person talking and the other waiting for them to shut up. In this case, though, minds and opinions are changed. See if you get turned around about Spotify’s television plans too.