With the second GOP primary debate set to begin soon, Marc Short, the former Chief of Staff to Vice President Mike Pence, joins for an exclusive interview to answer if Pence could win over Trump voters' support for the 2024 presidential election, provide his reaction to Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony, explain what drives loyalty to Trump, and more. Plus, Trump’s namesake business could be in jeopardy after a New York judge finds Trump liable for fraud.  To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices