Orange Business Radio

Episode 23: Orange Business Next-Gen and the value of the Graduate Program

Our guest in this episode is Ricardo Laanen, who is one of the many "second generation employees" in Orange Business. We discuss what it is like to work in the same company as your dad, but more importantly about how the Orange Graduate Program has helped Ricardo to kickstart his career in Orange.

Guest:

Ricardo Laanen - Smart Industries | Orange Business | Orange Graduate ProgramRicardo's LinkedIn profile

Useful information:

Orange Graduate Program

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 22: Pi-cast! The Why Of Pi

In episode #2 of this podcast, we spoke with Michael Deheneffe and we briefly talked about his fascination for the number Pi. We suggested we may need a dedicated episode about Pi and here it is! This episode my not be for the faint of heart, but if you would like to understand more about Pi and how someone can become so fascinated, this one is for you!

Guest:

Michael Deheneffe - Director Marketing & Innovation at Orange Business Services, Digital & Data

Linkedin: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeldeheneffe/

Useful information:

The Pi‑Search Page

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 21: Landing In The Uncanny Valley

This episode is recorded at Insights 2026, the yearly analyst event hosted by Orange Business. In this episode Francine shares with us a real-life experience on how AI can be used and how it made her feel uncomfortable. Together with Leslie Rosenberg, Research Vice President at IDC, we explore the uncanny valley of AI.

Guests:

Leslie Rosenberg, Research Vice President at IDC

⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/⁠⁠⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 20: The Infinite Loop Of Insights

This episode is recorded at Insights 2026, the yearly analyst event hosted by Orange Business. In this episode we discuss the value Analyst Relations brings to an organization, the role of AI in analyst relations and the subtle difference between a feedback loop and an echo chamber.

Guests:

Catherine Freiberg, Head of IAR

⁠LinkedIn⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/⁠⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 19: Light, AI, Action!

Ai is changing the game in movies, music and art. But what does that mean for creativity? Will all actors soon be out of a job? Is art created by Ai even art - and who's the boss of defining that? In this episode we discuss the future of AI in the entertainment industry from the perspective of the audience and the people in the industry.

Guests:

Alaeddine Hajjem, AI enthusiast, photographer and much more.

LinkedIn

John Rinaldi, Actor, Singer, Voice Teacher/Coach, Piano Teacher.

Johns website

Useful links:

Sienna Rose, the mysterious singer

AI-generated art at SFO sparks backlash prompting artist to speak out

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 18: What if work would be good for your mental health?

In this episode we talk with Petra Velzeboer about Digital Wellbeing, at work and at home. Petra is the author of two books on mental health and a Global Keynote and TEDx speaker. We discuss the impact of social media, AI and other digital tools on our daily lives and Petra provides valuable insights and some good tips

Guest:

Petra Velzeboer, Global Keynote and TEDx speaker, author of Begin With You and Digital Wellbeing

Useful links:

Petra's website with her books and lots more

Disrupting Wellbeing, Petra's own podcast.

The offline-club

Center For Humane Technology

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠

Francine Linzell

"The best Industry Analyst Relations director on the internet." ~ her mom

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/francinelinzell/

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 17: Do we REALLY need all those datacenters?

In this episode we talk with Vlad Galabov about the ever growing demand for data center capacity worldwide. We talk about the impact of AI on that demand and how the data center providers are trying to address environmental challenges.

Guest:

Vlad Galabov, Senior Director Enterprise Infrastructure Research at ⁠Omdia⁠

⁠LinkedIn⁠

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠

Kerem Arsal

Kerem has spent nearly 20 years in telecoms and IT as an analyst, consultant, and strategist at multiple companies, including several years at British Telecom most recently.Now, he covers networks and edge computing at Omdia, a part of Informa plc. Kerem holds a PhD in Information Systems from Boston University, but he is also a failed rock singer, an ex-music journalist, and a defunct live sportscommentator.

LinkedIn: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerem-arsal-phd/⁠⁠

Email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 16: Fiber To The Home is (finally) picking up

In this episode we talk with Stephen Wilson about how and why FttX (Fiber to the Premise) is finally becoming a big success for operators after being a promise for more than 20 years.

We discuss how the technology works and what the pros (and some cons) are, compared to other (old and new) technologies.

Guest:

Stephen Wilson, senior principal analyst at Omdia

LinkedIn

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠

Email: ⁠[email protected]⁠

Kerem Arsal

Kerem has spent nearly 20 years in telecoms and IT as an analyst, consultant, and strategist at multiple companies, including several years at British Telecom most recently.Now, he covers networks and edge computing at Omdia, a part of Informa plc. Kerem holds a PhD in Information Systems from Boston University, but he is also a failed rock singer, an ex-music journalist, and a defunct live sportscommentator.

LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerem-arsal-phd/⁠

Email: ⁠[email protected]⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 16: Experience is everywhere

In this episode we talk with Remi Weber Dublaron about Customer and Employee experience. We cover some examples of great and not so great experiences and how enterprises should look at improving the customer journey

Guest:

Remi Weber Dublaron, Business and CX Consultant at Orange Business

⁠LinkedIn⁠

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/⁠

Email: ⁠[email protected]⁠

Kerem Arsal

Kerem has spent nearly 20 years in telecoms and IT as an analyst, consultant, and strategist at multiple companies, including several years at British Telecom most recently.Now, he covers networks and edge computing at Omdia, a part of Informa plc. Kerem holds a PhD in Information Systems from Boston University, but he is also a failed rock singer, an ex-music journalist, and a defunct live sportscommentator.

LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerem-arsal-phd/⁠

Email: ⁠[email protected]⁠

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.

Episode 15: A (slightIy) deeper dive into Quantum

In this episode we talk with Dr. Andrew Shields about Quantum Technology, Quantum Computers and Quantum (Safe) Networks. We learn more about the current state of technology and what the future has in store for us.

Guest:

Andrew Shields, Vice President and General Manager of the Quantum Technology Division at Toshiba Europe Ltd

LinkedIn

Lee Johnson, Business Development Manager at Toshiba Europe Ltd

LinkedIn

About the hosts:

Frank de Jong

Frank has over 30 years of experience in the world of telecommunications and IT. Having held several roles at several different telecom operators and technology companies, he now works as Program Director and Tech Evangelist at Orange Business. In his spare time, Frank flies planes, does nerdy stuff and even recently started learning woodworking and furniture restoration.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjdejong/

Email: [email protected]

Kerem Arsal

Kerem has spent nearly 20 years in telecoms and IT as an analyst, consultant, and strategist at multiple companies, including several years at British Telecom most recently.Now, he covers networks and edge computing at Omdia, a part of Informa plc. Kerem holds a PhD in Information Systems from Boston University, but he is also a failed rock singer, an ex-music journalist, and a defunct live sportscommentator.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerem-arsal-phd/

Email: [email protected]

Disclaimer:

This podcast is provided as-is and for informational purposes only. The opinions voiced by the hosts and their guests do not necessarily represent the opinions and beliefs of their respective employers or Orange Business, the sponsor of this podcast.

Being passionately curious also means that the hosts will sometimes ask provocative questions to get “a peek behind the curtains”. Whilst we do the utmost to thoroughly research the topics we are discussing, we may be working with incomplete information at times. If you feel we have been making false statements, feel free to reach out to us, so we can all learn from it.