Back with Phil Starr joining again, and with Jen still on sabbatical, the crew dive into a not so "chill" chill talk! Wisdom... what is it, and what does it look like? What's the difference between knowledge and wisdom? Is it as simple as "knowing" a tomato is fruit, but being wise enough not to use it in a fruit salad? In a world obsessed with standing out, Jesus invites us to lay down our need to be extraordinary. In this episode, we talk about the beauty of being ordinary in the kingdom of God—and why that’s not a downgrade, but a deep calling. We’ll explore how God consistently works through the humble, the unnoticed, and the everyday faithful to accomplish His eternal purposes. If you've ever felt like you're not doing “enough” for God or not living a “big” enough life, this conversation is for you.

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