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Organising Chaos, Sparking Belonging


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Bridging Cultures and Building Connection

Amanda Van Der Heiden explores the dynamics of organising chaos by translating complexity into people-centred momentum, sharing profound insights on cultivating belonging, navigating change, and empowering diverse teams through authentic leadership.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood welcomes Amanda Van Der Heiden to explore what it means to organise chaos and spark belonging. Drawing from both personal and professional experiences, Joanne and Amanda discuss the complexities of fostering inclusion across cultures, industries, and individual perspectives. Amanda unpacks how a sense of belonging encompasses more than just inclusion or diversity policies; it is a lived feeling rooted in being truly seen and valued. The conversation moves through challenges of polarity in today’s world, the subtle art of balancing authenticity and respect, and the importance of understanding others’ communication styles to bridge divides. Joanne brings a rich context in the DEI space to highlight how businesses often overlook the “magic” of belonging, even as they engage with diversity and equity initiatives.

Amanda Van Der Heiden brings over twenty years’ experience as a chaos coordinator and relationship builder, having led global L&D rollouts across companies and continents. Her unique perspective is shaped by a childhood spent navigating two starkly different worlds—Kentucky and New York—with Dutch roots and her own visible difference, piebalism. This experience has endowed Amanda with an innate ability to connect across divides and to build momentum from complexity. A lifelong advocate for people-first solutions, Amanda’s superpower lies in translating complexity into people-centred action that empowers teams and promotes genuine connection. She believes in nurturing cultures where people don’t simply fit in but thrive authentically, sharing actionable frameworks for leaders keen to create spaces of true belonging.

Throughout their discussion, Joanne and Amanda delve into practical techniques for fostering inclusion, from reframing internal dialogue to tailoring learning experiences with autonomy and intent. They challenge listeners to reflect on why they do what they do and to question the organisational habits that shape culture. The episode emphasises the need for transparency, active listening, and continuous self-reflection to unite diverse groups, especially in times of change.

The key takeaway from this episode is the transformative power of consciously organising workplace chaos and nurturing a culture of authentic belonging. By embracing curiosity, embracing difference, and placing people first, leaders and teams can break through the noise and generate meaningful impact. This episode equips listeners with insights to ignite the spark of inclusion and embed belonging into daily action, encouraging them to subscribe and share their own stories as part of the wider Inclusion Bites community.

 
Published: 05.02.2026
Recorded: 23.09.2025
Duration: 0:58:20
 
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    Clips and Timestamps

    Viral Topic: The Surprising Similarity in People’s Thoughts: “it’s very rare for someone to say something truly unique and different. And when they do, I’m like, ooh, your brain works different. You’re interesting because usually it’s like one of five things that people say.”

    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:11:38 → 00:12:26]

    Viral Topic: The Power of Bringing People Together

    “I consider myself kind of the glue that brings everybody together and like, okay, how are we going to work together? We may come from different perspectives, we may come from different backgrounds, different languages, different cultures, but how do we. How can we come together to get a shared result and get the best result possible?”
    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:14:06 → 00:14:24]

    The Importance of Lifelong Learning: “You have to continue to learn and adapt because of the pace of everything moving.”

    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:21:27 → 00:21:31]

    Viral Topic – The Art of True Communication: “So if you still be you and still give the message, but do it in a way where they can actually hear you and actually understand what you’re trying to gain, then you start to have common ground and understanding. So you’re truly being yourself, but you’re doing it in a way that the other person can receive the information and that’s, it’s a hard line to walk.”

    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:26:44 → 00:27:01]

    Viral Topic: Rethinking Success at Work: “There’s no such thing as an organisation, it’s a collection of people. So if you, if you want your organisation to do well, you want your people to do well. If your people are doing well, your organisation will do well.”

    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:31:37 → 00:31:47]

    Viral Topic: Remote Work Exposes Leadership Gaps: “The difference is the best leaders, the best communicators, pre Covid knew they have to do it. There’s an effort that goes into it, there’s strategy that goes into making sure people are heard and you’re setting things up and there’s success in that.”

    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:34:15 → 00:35:06]

    Viral Topic: Leveraging Strengths over Fixing Weaknesses

    “If we can leverage people’s strengths and really let them truly be in their strength, you’re gonna see the best results because it’s complimentary.”
    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:38:18 → 00:38:28]

    Diversity Drives Success: “You need all, all the different types and roles in order for it to succeed. Because again, study after study has shown and the results are proof. In the pudding, right, is that the organisations that have more diverse thinking. You talked about groupthink earlier, but if you have more diverse, if you are, you need to be at least as diverse as your client base from an organisation perspective. So the more diverse thoughts and viewpoints and backgrounds and training that you have, the better the end product or end result is going to be. And the companies that do that, that incorporate that have seen time and time again that improve their profit margins, improve their sales because you have more different ideas saying like hey this might work for this type of person but it’s not going to work for that. So how do we make sure to think through that and think of different perspectives?”

    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:38:29 → 00:39:17]

    Viral Topic: Rethinking Office Culture

    Quote: “Is that okay, great, make them want to be back in the office. What are you going to do for them for them to want to be back and have that engagement or for the, you know, Manhattan real estate people, they were saying like, well, okay, but there’s other ways that you could save money if you give up your lease or sell your building or whatever. So there’s always a way, but at the end of it, it’s remembering why are we doing this and how are we setting people up for success? Because that’s really what the critical thing is.”
    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:41:05 → 00:41:32]

    Viral Topic: The Power of Asking ‘Why’ in Leadership

    “If you ask five whys, so if you say, okay, well, why this goal or why this initiative? What do you hope to gain from this? And they answer it and then you ask it again and again and again, you’d be shocked at the real reason you get to, or the deeper level meaning.”
    — Amanda Van Der Heiden [00:42:17 → 00:42:32]

    Definition of Terms Used
    What is Piebalism?
    • Definition: Piebalism is a rare genetic condition resulting in patches of unpigmented (white) skin or hair, due to the absence of melanocytes in those areas. It is sometimes described as partial albinism.
    • Relevance: In this episode, piebalism is discussed by Amanda Van Der Heiden as an inherent aspect of her identity, shaping her experience of standing out in different communities and influencing her personal insights on inclusion and empathy.
    • Examples: A streak of white hair in otherwise red hair, or sections of depigmented skin; often compared to the look of “Rogue” from X-Men or Princess Anna from Frozen, as mentioned in the podcast.
    • Related Terms: Albinism, Vitiligo, Genetic Variation, Melanocytes
    • Common Misconceptions: Piebalism is often mistaken for vitiligo, a degenerative condition causing the progressive loss of skin pigment, whereas piebalism is present from birth and remains stable throughout life.
    • What is Organising Chaos?
      • Definition: Organising chaos refers to the process of bringing structure, clarity, and cohesion to diverse, multifaceted or disordered environments—especially those with varying perspectives or backgrounds.
      • Relevance: It encapsulates Amanda’s approach to learning and development and change management, describing her ability to coordinate complex programmes and unite people with disparate viewpoints.
      • Examples: Leading global rollouts, coordinating large events with multiple stakeholders, or creating frameworks enabling teams to achieve shared goals.
      • Related Terms: Change Management, Facilitation, Project Management, Systems Thinking
      • Common Misconceptions: Many assume organising chaos means eliminating disorder entirely; however, it often involves harnessing diversity and unpredictability to drive positive outcomes.
      • What is “What’s In It For Me” (WIIFM)?
        • Definition: WIIFM stands for “What’s In It For Me,” a principle focusing on understanding and articulating the direct personal benefit or motivation for an individual when engaging with a task, initiative, or learning opportunity.
        • Relevance: The concept is highlighted as crucial for effective engagement in learning and development, ensuring participation and motivation by answering this key question for individuals.
        • Examples: Designing a training session that clearly explains how mastering a new skill will help the learner advance in their career or make their job easier.
        • Related Terms: Stakeholder Engagement, Motivation, Learner Centricity, Human-Centred Design
        • Common Misconceptions: Some believe WIIFM is selfish or counterproductive in group settings, yet it is essential for fostering genuine buy-in and personal accountability.
        • What is the Five Whys Exercise?
          • Definition: The Five Whys is a technique used to explore the root cause of a problem by asking “why?” iteratively, typically five times, until the fundamental issue is uncovered.
          • Relevance: Amanda introduces this practice as a way to get beyond surface-level symptoms to identify deeper reasoning and resolve the actual underlying issues in organisational change and decision-making.
          • Examples: Questioning why a policy exists; the answer leads to a further “why?” until the foundational purpose or problem is revealed—often exposing cultural or motivational factors that were not initially apparent.
          • Related Terms: Root Cause Analysis, Problem Solving, Critical Thinking, Systems Inquiry
          • Common Misconceptions: The technique is sometimes viewed as simplistic or childish, but when performed thoughtfully, it yields profound insights that transform strategy.
          • What is Emotional Intelligence (EQ)?
            • Definition: Emotional Intelligence (EQ) refers to the capacity to recognise, understand, and manage one’s own emotions—as well as the emotions of others—in order to foster effective communication, relationship-building, and self-regulation.
            • Relevance: EQ is discussed in relation to adapting communication styles, facilitating inclusion, and managing the complexities of change and diverse workplace interactions on a global scale.
            • Examples: Adjusting one’s behaviour when presenting to analytical versus expressive team members; seeking to understand others’ perspectives before passing judgement; recognising how wording and attitude affect outcomes.
            • Related Terms: Self Awareness, Empathy, Social Skills, Adaptability
            • Common Misconceptions: EQ is often wrongly equated solely with being “nice” or agreeable; in reality, it demands the thoughtful application of self-awareness and empathy to achieve meaningful, strategic impact.
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              Brought to you by your host
              Joanne Lockwood
              SEE Change Happen

              A huge thank you to our wonderful
              guest
              Amanda Van Der Heiden
              GDTS Corp

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