From the poetics of matter to ‘machines of loving grace,’ this conversation with artist Oscar Santillán charts a course through subtly networked ecologies of knowledge—and the unknown—that he calls ‘Antimundo.’ He describes how his practice is animated by research into technologies both ancient and emerging, ponders noise as a strategy for AI, and explains how an indigenous coding device from the Andes might offer relational clues to the future.

The image here is  part of the project 'Solaris' as described in the episode. Courtesy of Oscar Santillán.