This conversation starts with fictional candidate Willy Stark, a favorite subject of our guest, Steve Ealy.

Steve has written on how to read the Qur'an, the Federalist Papers and constitutional interpretation, the philosophers Jurgen Habermas, Michael Oakeshott, and Eric Voegelin, and the writers C. S. Lewis, Ralph Ellison, Fyodor Deostoevsky, James Fenimore Cooper, John Steinbeck, and Robert Penn Warren. He is currently working on a book-length study of Robert Penn Warren. In other words, he is qualified to dicsuss Donald Trump in the perspective of history.