Kara-Lee and Josiah begin this series with a conversation about their journey in finding out they are unable to have biological children. Topics such as grief, lamenting, processing, messiness of life and where God is all are addressed in episode 1 of this series.

00:00 Introduction

01:23 The Road Trip, The Tale of Two Journeys

11:01 Our Infertility Journey

21:46 Beginning Our Grief Journey

25:57 Kara’s Grief Journey

32:54 Resisting A Cure-Based Approach to Grief

39:49 What Does Leaning Into Pain Look Like?

44:03 The Confusion of The Role Of Suffering In Our Spiritual Journey

49:17 What Is The Point of Pain?

52:35 Beauty In The Ashes

59:00 What Waiting Looks Like?

Thank you for listening, we hope something in this has been encouraging for you in your journey. Next week's episode is on The Power of Presence.