We’re your hosts, Heather and Desiree, two millennial late bloomers consistently behind in life, talking about it all: love, loss, trauma, spirituality, books, and much more.

In this episode of the Perpetually Overdue Podcast, though we will trigger diehard Swifties, this is too important to us not to discuss, especially as ex-Swifties.

We delve into our personal histories as fans, where the decline began, and the impact of her recent work. We discuss the evolution of Swift's image, the disconnect between her celebrity status and the realities faced by her audience, and the implications of her political silence.

The conversation highlights the importance of accountability in celebrity culture and encourages listeners to reflect on their support for artists in light of social justice issues.

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