Lucid dreams. Astral travel. An ayahuasca trip. Whatever you call them, Out of Body Experiences are a phenomenon that mystifies and intrigues us.  Which is why we invited our friend Jeff from the Maker / Mistaker podcast back on the show to discuss them–he’s had 50-60 personal experiences, and has done a lot of research and reading about it.  Are these experiences real?  Or are they just an advanced form of dreaming?  Not surprisingly, the three of us have different takes on it. Listen and decide for yourself .