Being very spontaneous, our meeting was not very well prepared from my side, so the setting and sound you need to live with....

Apart from music, we talk happiness but go through some serious talks about his wife dying in cancer, the hardship for mothers and was he actually becoming a priest by the way? What's it like to live in Botkyrka, and did I dare try to sing a duet with him?

Although this episode almost doesn't touch the subject of pain, it is well worth listening to! Join the growing number of people who have found the pod Outsmart the pain.