For the video of this episode, go to https://youtu.be/B4933wXvmY8.

Our guest in this episode, Malisa Hapner, told us she maxed out the Adverse Childhood Experiences questionnaire—which means she went through an enormous load of trauma. Judy and I found her journey of overcoming shame and finding compassion for herself and others to be inspiring, and I hope you do too.

Malisa’s website is https://linktr.ee/Mdhepner.

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