One of the fastest-rising stars on British TV, Paapa Essiedu joins me to talk about his amazing work as Kwame in I May Destroy You, as well as his performance in Gangs of London.

Paapa reveals his love of theatre, his responsibilities as a young black Londoner, and where he got those great little beanie hats.

Kelly O'Sullivan wrote herself a star role and performs it with gusto in indie comedy Saint Frances, playing a nanny whose life is changed by a 6-year-old kid.

Kelly talks about Otto Preminger movies, cookery shows and the stress of moving house.

Paapa Essiedu:

Safe by Derek Owusu (13.46)

Kokoroko (15.21) 

Kelly O Sullivan:

Anatomy of a Murder (23.45)

Black AF (26.06)

The Daily Podcast (28.13)

Music by Lee Rosevere.

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