In this episode, Paul Asadorian, Larry Pesce, and Evan Dornbusch delve into the recent Sophos reports on threat actors, particularly focusing on the Pacific Rim case. They discuss the implications of the findings, including the tactics used by attackers, the vulnerabilities in network devices, and the challenges of securing appliances. The conversation also highlights the importance of network detection solutions, the impact of zero-day exploits, and the need for a shift in how appliance security is approached, especially concerning firmware backdoors and UEFI threats. In this conversation, the speakers discuss the implications of UEFI attacks, highlighting Sophos' proactive measures in cybersecurity. They emphasize the importance of observing attackers, the role of manufacturers in enhancing security, and the need for better monitoring and visibility in devices. The discussion also touches on the significance of shared responsibility in cybersecurity, learning from transparency in incidents, and the challenges posed by overpowered devices. The speakers advocate for the implementation of security software and the necessity of bills of materials to improve device security.