How I think Pain, Conflict and Art are related. P.S. All the Urdu poets I have mentioned in the podcast ( Faiz, Faraz and Ghalib) are dead. Apologies if I spoke of them in the present tense !!! The podcast is in English, except for some pieces of Urdu poetry. And since the topic is too abstract, I have had to take more pauses to formulate my sentences !!