Crystalee, the creator of the Mama Ladder, is on the show today sharing her four birth stories! Crystalee said: "It took me four tries to get that natural, unmedicated birth I wanted from the start." She compares epidural VBACs to med-free VBACs. She has a lot of insight!

Topics covered in the show today:

• Frank breech C-section
• 18 Months between C-section and VBAC
• Third degree tear
• Doesn't feel contractions until in active labor
• Pregnancy during the pandemic
• What she learned from her C-section

Links mentioned:

• Mama Natural Birth Course
• The Mama Ladder

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